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Sony clarifies stance on no DRM, online passes


Sony has once again clarified details surrounding its no DRM policy, as well as revealing that it'll drop its own online pass system for PS4.

Speaking in a new interview, SCEE boss Jim Ryan told VG247 “Basically, what we’re saying is that there’s no change from current-gen to next-gen."

That seems to count for the Online Pass system too, of which Ryan said, “Very much the way the tide is going on current-gen is that people are not pursuing the Online Pass thing. It’s being dropped.

“I mean, some publishers have gone bankrupt and others are dropping it. We’re dropping it ourselves.

“It’s a diminishing phenomenon and I don’t see any reason why that should reverse itself.”

So there we go. No online pass, No DRM. Maybe the internet can move on now.

Edited On 12 Jun, 2013

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Johno Muller 3 years ago
It's almost like Sony have listened to people and have built this console to please people.
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0000000000 3 years ago
fair play to sony u cant argue with their logic
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Random theory alert! This all wouldn't be happening right now if stores like GAME, & Gamestop the like put money back into gaming
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
To be fair to Gamestop and the like, they do a lot for gaming in terms of advertising and just getting the games out there for the common man.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
But when you think about it, that is millions leaking out of gaming to never be seen again. Even if it was like a 1%-10% cut that would be fine no?
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Don Mattrick helped ease Microsoft fans worrys about the DRM situation last night and recomends anybody who doesnt have an internet connection get an Xbox 360
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Talk about a smug twit
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Bindiana 3 years ago
I cant believe how badly Microsoft are coming across throught the whole lead up and showing of the consoles from the Deal With it tweets and now stuff like this.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
They have the same arrogance that Sony showed when they were releasing the PS3
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Aye I saw that 'get a 360' comment lol. It's basically telling them to stay in the previous generation. They must have a load of top quality games lined up for the 360....And I agree Nox, a 5% cut or whatever would be fine to whatever developer developed the game.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
If you were selling games Peer to Peer or trading in a Independent store then there would be no cut but they need to let them in instead of Microsoft forcing it's way it. It's not right that they are making millions and none of that money is going back into gaming
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Technically you can say some of it is going back into gaming say someone goes in trades in 2 games to get another new game. If they didnt trade them in they wouldnt buy the new game its one of those vicious circles there is many sides to the argument dont think you will ever find a comprimise.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I know but as the cost of making games keeps going up so will the price of buying games, now if GAME & Gamestop just put a least a bit of the millions/billions they make back into gaming it would be better for everyone
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Also how do you account for the people that trade in a game, buy a used game, trade in that game & buy a used game? The cycle never ends
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Yeah true nox maybe they could pay say 5% of the profits but who would you pay it to say the sold a used copy of Black ops 2 on PS3 who gets the money Sony or Activision?
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Bindiana 3 years ago
It will be interesting to see the game sales figures for the both consoles next christmas once the consoles have been out a year.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
That would be up to Sony & Activision to figure out, & there is only on way to know................FIGHT!!!!!!!!
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Robichoico 3 years ago
Does it play PS3 discs yet? It does everything else every other console does so surely this will be coming too?
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philcruicks 3 years ago
Whoops Sony, http://www.neowin.net/news/third-parties-can-dictate-drm-terms-on-the-playstation-4 DRM is still there just they're letting the publishers do it, which probably means ever worse DRM...
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
How can you enforce DRM on a Offline console Phil? Plus Sony told us this back at the reveal event
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superniceguy 3 years ago
The Xbox is getting quite a lot of games that interest that - Metal Gear Solid 5, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Ryse, D4, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive. The only game that interests me on the PS4 is Drive Club, but then I like the look of Forza 5 better. Also there is Halo. The only problem is the DRM - I will not get a Xbox One because of the DRM (although chances are MS will drop the DRM nonsense after this Sonys announcement) and I will not get a PS4 as it has no games that interest me yet. If I had to get one at launch then it would be the Xbox ONE, even with its DRM, but as I have the choice I will not get one, but can see people getting the Xbox ONE if they do not have a problem with it. I will definitely get the Xbox ONE at launch if they drop the DRM nonsense, otherwise I will wait until they are a tenner or less in sales.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
MGS V isn't an XBOX exclusive, just so you know. And DRM dictation like online passes has always been there Phil, yet Jack has already said that Sony won't be following online passes and he doesn't believe a lot of other publishers will either.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Metal Gear 5 isn't an exclusive and my bet is Dead Rising 3 will move to the PS4 at some point (Cacpcom love money) Also why the Cap on the One of Xbox One. Like this Xbox ONE,Xbox ONE,Xbox ONE,Xbox ONE,Xbox ONE,Xbox ONE.......... oh did I mention Xbox ONE
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
Neowin? they sound like a reputable news broker. Especially now that they have pulled the article.
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Robichoico 3 years ago
Wait. So Sony aren't charging to play onine via PS+ now? Went back on that quick enough lol.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
They've went back on it? Where?
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superniceguy 3 years ago
MGS V is not Xbox ONE exclusive, I see that MGS V is coming to PS3 and Xbox 360 too, so if Xbox ONE has DRM then I will get Xbox 360 version. If the game is awesome, as it looks like Metal Gear meets Red Dead Redemption and I loved that game, then will get on Xbox ONE later as well. It is not available for the PS4 launch, but even if it comes to PS4 it still does not make the PS4 suddenly more worthwhile. If it had TV features like Xbox ONE at least you could use it for something while you wait ;) Killer Instinct also looks good, forgot to mention that one. I might even sell my PS3 to make room for Xbox ONE
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
PS4 does have TV features such as Netflix, Lovefilm etc. And I don't have to wait, seeing as I have a PS3 and a sleuth of games worth playing on hte PS4 console ;)
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superniceguy 3 years ago
Sonys announcement about no DRM was just a PR play, and both Microsoft and Sony have not finalised anything yet. http://www.videogamer.com/news/next-gen_drm_policies_yet_to_be_finalised_claims_source.html The consoles themselves do not block used games, but the publishers will - pretty much like the PC really - old games have no DRM but virtually all the PC games released over the past few years do. The Wii and Wii U also has TV features, but none to the extent Xbox ONE has. The PS4 is backwards compatible with the PS3? That is the only way I will have some games to play on the PS4 at launch
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Robichoico 3 years ago
@DynamiteWhyte. Well it says there that Sony won't be charging for online passes. Yet they announced they will be charging for online multiplayer. So taking in one hand and forcing with another...
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Speechless
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Whitey 3 years ago
Do people not realise that Sony just chooses their words carefully? Publishers can still set DRM and used games fee for PS4 games, all Sony said is that their first party games will not have any of that, which is the same with Xbox one it's down the publishers, the only difference is you have to ping the net every 24 hours to use xbox but let's face it, i bet you are all on the net 24/7 any way.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Online Passes is what games like THQs UFC and EAs FIFA etc use so you have to pay £7 or so to unlock online if you get a game from the shop pre-owned, so they still make money. And Whitey it isn't the same as the XBOX One, as all first party Microsoft games will still need to be checked every 24 hours and won't be able to be loan to mates, or buy a pre-owned game cheap.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I'm not denying that but what if you go somewhere with no internet access or your internet goes offline for a few days? You have a £400 brick, that's why the One won't be my main console.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Tony 'claims source'. You think Sony will announce it to E3, get the reaction they did and then say 'lol only jk you have to check in every 2 minutes lol' - Jack Tretton even said companys are moving away from Online passes and everything. I didn't say they were backwards compatible, I have a PS3 with games, and I will have a PS4 with games on launch like Killzone, Drive Club, AC4, FIFA etc, that will do me just fine on launch day.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
& before someone comes in saying that "It's the same with PC games" you are half right, a lot of PC games have DRM but at the same time a lot don't
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
David - You don't need to pay for PSN at all. You have to pay for PS+ to play online, but you make your money back on free games/discounts anyway. You can do everything else on the console bar play online multiplayer.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
i will be getting my ps plus soon so it will carry over job done
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Whitey 3 years ago
I'm sure you can live without a console for a few days if that does happen, which is prob hardly ever, I've not lost my internet for more than 24 hours in years. And you can still buy Xbox one games pre-owned and play them without paying a fee, it's down to the publisher if they charge a fee or not and i doubt most of them will, and publishers can do that for PS4 games too.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Yes David, you will have to pay for PSN+ to play online but you will also get 4 free games a month and get more than enough value in one month. If games like AC2 & Halo 3 will be the norm, you will get your values worth in about 5 month
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Whitey 3 years ago
@DynamiteWhyte you don't make your money back from PS+ so what they give you a free game that you have no interest in at all or already have, waste of a game, getting a free game is not getting your money back.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
We i'm well chuffed that you have a good internet service Whitey but some aren't as lucky as you
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Whitey - So if you are a businessman, or an army guy, who is away from home alot, what do you do?
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I've had PSPlus for ages, and every month there is atleast 1 game that interests me, if not 2, or even all 3. For example, the past 3 months have had Hitman, Kingdom of Amalur, Metal Gear Solid, Demon Souls, Ico, Shadow of the Collosus etc. That's my money worth, and them some.
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Whitey 3 years ago
If i had a busy lifestyle like that then i wouldn't even be playing video games. I understand that having to ping to the net every 24 hours is kind of a bad move but in all honesty people are just over reacting, i bet 90% of people moaning about it is connected to the net all the time any way, yes it's a pain, but if my net goes out should i not buy a PC because i can't use the internet while it's down? I reckon people will just settle to it after a few months and it will become the norm in a few years so MS are thinking ahead.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
You buy a Xbox 360 (TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL) Arrogant cunt
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
How much are they paying you? Na i'm joking, it will only become the norm when EVERYONE has good internet (BTW what's yours) we just don't like it right now cos we don't like change
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
It becoming the norm in a few years doesn't make sense unless Sony suddenly switch up and make a new system wtih always online in it. If Microsoft go ahead and do this, and Nintendo and Sony decide to keep their consoles offline for the people who either don't have the internet (Like a lot of people who play PC too) or just for the general mind of their online customers not always having to check in, then it won't be the norm, and will be the odd one out.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
BTW I'm referring to Don Mattrick and his comment about buying a 360 if you don't have internet/good internet, not calling Whitey a Arrogant cunt
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Whitey 3 years ago
I have Sky fibre broadband 40 down speed and 10 up, and while they do have some problems now and then when it goes off, I've rarely had a situation where it's been down for more than 24 hours so the Xbox one will not really bother me at all, as with games i buy new games any way
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I have 3.9mbps and the last few week I have not even been getting that ( http://www.speedtest.net/result/2768879691.png )
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Whitey 3 years ago
Should get fibre if it's in your area, deffinitely worth the extra cash.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
10+ years till it becomes the Norm
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I know it is worth it but it's not available
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Do you live in a city or near one (Makes me sound like a farmhand)
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Sadly, fibre won't be available in my area anytime soon due to our BT exchange being horrific. Figure I'll only get it when I move closer to Edinburgh or something.
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superniceguy 3 years ago
Sony were not joking at E3 - Sony and the PS4 does not block used games, but the publishers of the games can make it happen. PCs does not have DRM, but the games themselves do. Old PC games without DRM can be played and resold still, but new PC games mostly can not - It is not Dell or whoever or the PC that stops that from happening it is the publishers like EA.
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
I've got over 300Gb of free games on my PS3 only had PS+ for 9 months I predict I will be hitting the limit of the unexpandable xboner HDD by the end of my first year. Early this year I had no internet access for 3 straight days luckily I had a console capable of offline play I'm probably going to be moving house next year I'll have at least a week maybe upto a month where I need to wait for installation, good thing I have a whole 24 hours to play offline on the new xbox.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
The ONLY way that game developers can stop this is making there games REQUIRE an online connection. And after the massive backlash after EA and Sim City, do you really think they're going to do this on consoles? No.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Not all NEW PC games have DRM
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
When I moved house it took Sky 3 weeks to connect me to an internet outlet. Went over my phone gb allowance so many times.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Even Steam has a Offline Mode
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Whitey 3 years ago
But on Xbox one you don't need the game disc to play the game so it has to connect to the net to check you still own the rights to the game, because once installed you don't need the disc to play any more.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also the examples you both gave were moving house and had no net, well unless you move house every few months i doubt it will be an issue will it.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
So for the sake of not having to put a disc in for the game you want to play, you're happy with it HAVING to check up on your ownership rights? And it is very easy to move house quite a lot if you don't own your house.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
They are ways around it . Example: Get a One Use code in the box, connect to the internet, use code, game locks to your Xbox & when you want to sell that game or gift it, Microsoft removes it from your console.
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
There was that news report about serious flooding in East Anglia THAT was why I had no internet for 3 days. It's an annual occurrence I don't live in a flood risk area but I am near enough to one that it causes my internet to come down in a sudden case of not working.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Somethings are beyond our control
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Like a girlfriend who flips out that you're in the pub and throws your router out of the window. You have to wait 2 weeks for a new router. Bad times.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
The UK internet isnt to bad but what about the rest of Europe I am sure a lot of people read the stories about the making of Metro Last light by the sounds of it an xbox would be useless there a lot of the time due to the poor conditions there.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Exac........tly?
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Whitey 3 years ago
In all honesty i can maybe see them changing how it works if it really hurts them that bad, because not only will it hurt Microsoft, but it will also hurt publisher game sales, if people have an xbox one and want to buy a single player story game like elder scrolls or the like, they might turn around and say I'm not buying a single player game for an online required console, or is publishers see that mostly all their sales are coming from PS4 then they may just drop support for xbox. But at the end of the day i can't really see it having that much of an effect, millions of people will still buy Xbox one
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Microsoft don't care about the people with bad/no internet, they people can just buy a 360
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
#DealWithIt
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Whitey 3 years ago
At least this way all the little annoying kids will go to PS4 :D lol nah seriously though, everything is going online connected and digital these days, yes there are still people without internet but there are way more that do have it and are always connected, it's how things are going and soon enough it will be the standard way for everything.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, if anything, i have more of an issue with kinect than i do with used games and always online. Having the kinect with it has pushed the console price up about £100 and i have no interest in kinect at all, though i am so glad they didn't show any kinect focus at E3 and the fad for kinect games has lowered a bit, it seems now the gaming focus is on tablets and phones, guess they realised gamers don't want motion crap
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cthragyaska 3 years ago
Kinect isn't going anywhere as Microsoft want a slice of that casual/party game demographic, and linking it to everything (dashboard, TV, Vid chat, Music blah blah blah) they've justified forcing it on everyone with Xbox One. I primarily use Kinect on the Dashboard (and associated apps) but I think a lot of bigger developers have now realised that Kinect can best be utilised in-game for voice control (squad deployments etc), which adds to the interaction but could be just as well achieved by using the headset mike. Microsoft were showing off that at any point you could say "Xbox on" or whatever and it would switch on instantly, seems at no point did anyone in the dev meetings say "Hang on, won't people hate the possibility it could listening in on them all the time?" Why can't they use Kinect to scan your face/clothing and map it to in game characters? BE in Mortal Kombat, see yourself as a background character in Halo etc?!
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cthragyaska 3 years ago
And I get that I shouldn't just be able to repeatedly "lend" a game to 10 friends (most PC games I've bought recently come with single use codes), but I don't get why it should have internet access at least once every 24 hours to prove I'm not some dirty thieving pirate.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Microsoft don't trust us
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cthragyaska 3 years ago
If they'd said "The DRM will just check in with your game library anytime you're using your Xbox One online" there'd be a few gripes (because there always is where DRM is concerned) but that would be sufficient for what they seem to want to do. I'm sure thousands of schools/prisons/outposts/refineries/army bases etc will also consider going the PS4 route unless Microsoft do a u-turn on this
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
Where I work we have 2 xbox 360s for lunch times although I can never be bothered to set them up. I wont be able to do that with xboners because there isn't a broadband connection as it's too expensive.
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Whitey 3 years ago
I wonder if the 24 hour check has to be on the console, like if your internet goes down could you just sign into your live profile on xbox.com using your mobile and that would detect that you have connected to xbox live. Also another solution would be, if you are good friends with your neighbor and they have a wireless router, when your net is down for some reason you could just connect to their wireles for a min just to ping your profile then you're sorted for another 24 hours.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
First one is a straight up no but the second is a yes
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Me, I give a shit, I will be getting one but I will do so in 2/3 years
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Whitey 3 years ago
Xbox one is not just a games console you know, if your net goes down you can still watch live TV, movies and music, the other forms of entertainment.
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Artemisthemp 3 years ago
I never got the complain about Online Pass, since a Online pass comes with all new Copies and only ppl, who brought second hand would have to pay €10. If those €10 makes it more expensive than a new game, then buy a New game and support the publisher.

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