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Thursday Chat, June 20


There is only one subject we could possibly talk about today, Micrsoft's dramatic U-Turn when it comes to Xbox One DRM.

So what do you think? Great PR? Good move? Or too little too late?

Also do you think Microsoft will stick to this new found policy or is it simply trying to get some pre-orders and a decent install base before reintroducing these measures?

Let's Chat!

Edited On 20 Jun, 2013

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Johno Muller 3 years ago
It didn't work this generation, but if they push some of the ideas they had. Allow game sharing for digital titles, drop the number of 'family' to 5. Then XboxTwo(?) go all digital, offer what valve do, have an open source game engine make it cheap to play with. Note how popular minecraft is, let gamers build stuff and sell it on the marketplace even at 90-10 split in MS favour and people will eat it up.
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ZdravkoN 3 years ago
This way Microsoft admits that they were a little hasty with the new DRM. But in time, it will be implemented. You are not required to be always online, which is good. But still, maybe you'll think I hold a grudge against Don Matrick about his statement that if you want to play online you should stick with the 360, but THAT is not how you care about your loyal customers.
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0000000000 3 years ago
well its made me a very happy chappy, granted this should of never been an issue in the first place they should of never had these policies in! but they have bottled it not even stuck to their guns for "the good of the fans" translating too we dont want to lose all our money to sony! still a bunch of arrogant twats but they made the right move, it will happen with xbox and ps 1 day!
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troublemaker 3 years ago
No. There are bigger things to talk about! James Gandolfini dies yesterday. The immortal Tony Soprano has died, at 51 no less. Really, seriously and truly gutted this morning. A modern great. all the good ones are leaving us!
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Been thinking about it I think it may of been an idea to launch 2 consoles a DRM console and a non DRM one and make the DRM one cheaper then the non one and then make sure the DRM console has lots of perks to push people towards it. I think then people will slowly come round to the DRM stuff if they see what there getting
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Spear 25 3 years ago
I think its a good move. I was planning on getting an Xbox One eventually but this news has made me think about getting the Xbox One earlier. Probably wont be at launch but maybe early next year.
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Samka 3 years ago
It's a good thing Sony tried to get the upper hand by not enforcing DRM as has forced MS to follow suit. I see it as a (temporary?) victory for the consumers, so I'm happy, even though I have at no point had any intention of buying an Xbone and will be getting a PS4 (at launch if I can convince my boyfriend, he's hinted it might be my Xmas present. sounds generous right but to be fair it's kind of he's buying me a Xmas present for himself...).
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
To little to late for me, maybe if they dropped the required Kinect as well I'd consider it, I'm just not happy with paying and extra £80, for something that I don't want, Don't need and didn't ask for. With M$ pushing some form of Kinect functionality in all titles I'm not interested, I will probably cave one day, but as it is I have no intention of picking one up until 2015 at the earliest, I'll still have my 360 though and I'll stick to it like the Don guy suggested.
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0000000000 3 years ago
ive actually been busy working today :( did u all miss me :P
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troublemaker 3 years ago
No excuse! I've been working my butt off all morning. I've still had time to argue on here and watch youtube videos! haha!
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0000000000 3 years ago
ive been in the warehouse no where near my screen and my phone is broke, soon as i get a new 1 ill argue on the go! but for now, i cant join in when out there doing busy work haha!
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Hey we werent arguing Trouble we were discussing! Has been a bit quiet on here this morning have had time to do work lol
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Gandolfini dying is brutal. Was still class in movies like Zero Dark Thirty too so had years left in him as a top quality actor. Bad heart attack too :( RIP.
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0000000000 3 years ago
its always quiet on here without me, everyone aims their digs at me so without me their is nobody to have the banter with, see IM NEEDED!!!
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0000000000 3 years ago
what i want to know next is, when do we expect a CONCRETE release date, i dont want a month i want a DAY and i want it soon so i can start preparing my bak for the loss of lots of cash! thats why i need to know i need to make sure i have money in the bank haha!
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troublemaker 3 years ago
Haha! I know. I do like a good discussion. something that has been sadly lacking on here since E3 with just the out and out abuse thrown back and forth.
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Dead 3 years ago
Meh, not bothered about the Xbox DRM, wasn't going to be getting one for a while anyway. Been too busy with Animal Crossing this morning to get on here till now, I think I may be addicted, had a little go on Luigi U too, it's a lot harder than Mario U, and the tight time limits don't help either.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
I must admit discussions havent lasted long here over the last couple of weeks usually turned into a slanging match sooner or later.
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troublemaker 3 years ago
YOU'RE WRONG! AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT! I know right? It's been a bit depressing to be honest. although it has meant I've been concentrating on, you know, work!
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
That's because of the xbox employees who are trying to get convince people the xboner is the best thing ever and rip into us Sony fans.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
off to play last of us soon nearly finished now great game and excellent story
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troublemaker 3 years ago
I'm hoping to have it finished tonight! I can feel the end is close (and my save says im 83% done) a few hours tonight and i'll be able to breath again!
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I haven't had time to play it. I had a football tournament last night (Championees) followed by watching the Italy and Brazil games. Will dive in to it tonight and get a good bit done.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
i think my one is the same TM its gonna suck on hardest setting gonna leave that a while man this game can be tough
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I have been loving it (I love annoying people)
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troublemaker 3 years ago
there are a few tough spots. survivor is gonna hurt. especially without the listen function! Loving the game though. It's a proper masterpiece
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JoeToots 3 years ago
didn't get chance to play it tonight so ill proberbly start it tonight
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Still havent played much of it but one thing I have noticed I have managed to stay away from spoilers from the story which is good.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
might take on dragons dogma again afterwards or try skyrim any one played it lately have the bugs been fixed yet
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Samka 3 years ago
I've had barely any chance to play TLOU this week :( haven't checked my save % but reckon I'm about half way through as feels like there is a lot to go - I've just beat the second bloater (was a bit of a lucky win actually, molotov'd him as he ran up some stairs after me and he went straight down, took out two nearby runners at the same time). my mate text me last night to say she'd finished it, made me feel quite jealous as I really want to crack on with it and find out what happens...
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troublemaker 3 years ago
It's pretty much the reason I'm working so hard to get thedamn game finished. I don't want spoilers! If I finish early enough, I may even give the multiplayer a butcher's
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JoeToots 3 years ago
i'm renting some easy platinum trophys want to get my count up :)
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
had a play TM it was very good two sides battling give me a shout when you do and i will join you
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troublemaker 3 years ago
Hannah Montana - The Movie - The Game. I've heard. I don't have it. Easiest plat I have is Megamind. and Spare Parts. But I genuinely loved both games!
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troublemaker 3 years ago
Will do mate. I'll have to get my headset charged! haha!
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Samka - I tried that bit loads, just kept getting caught no matter how many molotovs I had because I barely had any bullets. Then realised you could just run away lol.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
walking dead game is easy just finish the game episodes 1 - 5 and full trophys also a excellent game
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troublemaker 3 years ago
Always run! I've come across 4 bloaters now. Only killed 2! I'm fucked if I'm wasting my entire inventory on one enemy if I don't have to!
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JoeToots 3 years ago
ps3 guys in terms of platinums do you think its quality or quantity thats better?
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Bindiana 3 years ago
I only have two Platinums Ni NO Kuni and Last Rebellion. Last Rebellion is a fairly easy platinum to get.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
If you enjoy them, AC2 is an easy plat. Just the 'collect 100 feathers' one is annoying.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Joe - I'd go with quality. I only have my favourite games that I enjoy platinumed. I won't spend time playing a game like AC: Revalations or whatever if I don't enjoy it enough to try and earn plats. Where as I'll do my best to get ones like Infamous, ME, FIFA etc.
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troublemaker 3 years ago
quality! I have 2 guys on my list that have 93 and 104 plats. Half of them are shite! About 2 years ago I gave up chasing quick and easy plats though. I just play the game, if it's fun/do-able/whatever, i'll chase the plat. if not, I don't care. My only thing now is that i hate 0% trophy lists on my profile!
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
makes you proud if the game is super tough thats what i like eg mass effect 2 on insanity but a few easy ones are good to push your count up . going to try to get mine up in the summer before the next gen
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troublemaker 3 years ago
funny that. I ignored AC Rev's plat. the game wasn't interesting enough to clean up trophies for!
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
AC 2 feathers peed me off got them all though
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I hate that too TM. But sometimes I have no interest in the game to go back to it straight away. I wish it was like XBOX where you could remove the ones you have 0% for.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
The only ones I got on AC: Rev's was the storyline ones. Had to complete the storyline, then that was me done lol. Wasn't wasting time on it.
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troublemaker 3 years ago
same here. I didn't enjoy it! It was a massive step back for me. Platinum'd AC3 though. that was pretty tough. the bullshit 100% sync actions annoyed the piss out of me!
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Samka 3 years ago
Dynamite - can't believe I didn't even think of running away.... fail. will remember that for the next ones. For plats I'm more about quality than quantity - mine are Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, and Sound Shapes. All three involved a significant amount of patience/game time on my part. I like to trophy whore but generally get bored with games before I can plat them, also my pile of games I intend to play but haven't yet got round to has expanded more and more as I've gotten older and have less time to play, so I generally move onto the next game once I've had enough...
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I get pissed off with collection trophys really. Like why I haven't 100%'d AC2 on my other account, or didn't 100% far cry 3 etc. Just have no interest in forced multiplayer or that. I could plat a lot of NBA 2k games but they are all 'win 5 games online'. If they've played online, they'll realise some of the guys are just sick at the game.
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JoeToots 3 years ago
how many people on here actually rent games? ive just started renting but feel i have to rush through them to get my moneys worth..
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troublemaker 3 years ago
Forced MP bugs me, it's why I left Tomb Raider after i finished the story. AC MP was alright, but grindy. TLOU looks to have a really grindy couple of MP trophies too. Not too interested in that!.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Well I only have 2 plats but I just recently set up a new account just before Christmas and until a few month back 360 was my primary console.
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troublemaker 3 years ago
You'll get over that eventually Joe. I did the same thing. I've got two rentals on the side that I've ignored because of TLOU.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Any good deals on PSN at the moment?
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Whitey 3 years ago
I guess it's good that they removed the restriction on Xbox one but I kinda liked the idea of playing games without the disc and sharing my whole library, ah well I guess more people may buy the Xbox One80 now.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Does anyone else have trouble with some product pages on this site? like the Xbox one and PS4 pages are all messed up for me, everything is out of place and overlapping each other, running on IE9, some pages are fine and other are messed up.
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Dan_1 3 years ago
Disappointed at the digital sharing features on Xbox One having been abandoned. I hope that they reinstate some form of digital sharing even if it's nothing like the 'family sharing' mentioned previously. More importantly, I really, really hope that the digital downloads are more competitively priced this time around, as I'm going to favour this method over the purchasing of physical discs next generation (mainly so that I can do the quick-switching and don't require the discs in the drive). I can understand totally why they've come to this decision though, I just would've liked them to offer an olive branch to those of us that were unconcerned by the switch to digital and always-online.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Aye same here but I blame my works internet for that, as it does it with a few sites. I use IE10 at home, and it's perfect on all pages. But this is IE6 or some crap, and it runs a lot of websites like crap.
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Whitey 3 years ago
I wonder if the digital versions of Xbox one games will have bonus features though, like most games these days you get pre-order bonus items so I wonder if they will have that stuff on digital, you don't really need to pre-order a digital copy so not sure how they will do it. DynamiteWhyte is IE10 ok now? I got it a while back when first came out but was having problems with it, pages were slow and some videos wouldn't load so i removed it and went back to IE9.
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
I'd like MS to release download games as PC RRP or even just $10 below console RRP from launch, they wouldn't even need to stay competitive with price drops because they would have made the most from initial sales as pretty much straight profit.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Yeah if they want an all digital future then they are going to have to give us reason to go digital, getting the game on day 1 is not a big factore as 90% of the time when I pre-order a game from here i get it a day before release so digital is not always quicker. But they will prob now make exclusive content to digital versions to make people buy off the marketplace
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
Getting a game a day earlier, Friday releases, usually only nets me an extra 4 hours due to work and I can download games on the release while at work. Tuesday releases I sometimes get on Saturdays and in some circumstances like Assassins Creed: Revelations I can finish the story before release date.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
I dont mind if they want to push digital sales but they have to give incentives to go that way so cheaper download price and even pre order bonuses for digital purchases.
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Spear 25 3 years ago
On the subject on platinum trophies I currently have 9. I didn't used to go for platinum trophies at all but over the last year or so I have started going for a few. I want to platinum TLOU but from what I've heard some of the online trophies take ages to get. Haven't tried online yet though. I ordered a 32gb PS Vita memory card today, so once that arrives I plan on playing some of my collection from PS Plus. Anyone who has a Vita, is it easy to transfer data between memory cards?
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
I have never needed to data transfer, I assume it is easy to transfer game saves... but I expect you need to redownload stored games again.
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Spear 25 3 years ago
Yeah I meant transfer game saves. I might not bother transferring because I've only played Soul Sacrifice for about 10 minutes.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
(Should be the same as PSP) Just move them to PS3 or PC then move them to the desired Memory Card
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troublemaker 3 years ago
if it's just save games, upload them to the cloud and redownload afterwards.
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
Nox has it, you can use the PS3 it has a data transfer utility on the XMB
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
The almighty cloud, I bow to you
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Johno Muller 3 years ago
Gonna get an xbone on day 2 just so I don't have to have the 'day one' edition.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Whitey - I use it as it is quicker than Chrome and Firefox, and it loads everything for me. Only thing I have problem with is Sky Go not opening in a full window, but only Firefox manages to do that for me.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Random theory alert! What if Microsoft made it a choice for DRM? Let's say you but a retail game and when you put the disk in it asks you if you would like DRM and gives you a list of Pros & Cons or if you wouldn't like DRM and gives you a list of Pros & Cons. ??? I'm just spitballing
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Whitey 3 years ago
I don't see why they had to completely remove it, all they had to do is let you play offline if you had the disc in the console, but if you wanted to play without the disc then you would need to be connected, that way the people who are always online any way get the benefit of playing and switching instantly without changing disc's, but could also play with the disc in if your net goes down.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Whitey the announcement did make it sound very stroppy with well were giving you this but you cant have the good stuff now.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
If they did it the way you put it Whitey people would just buy a game, install it then trade it in. At least my way prevents that
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Whitey 3 years ago
I hope you can still at least install games to your hard drive and run them from that with the disc still in like on 360 at the moment, running from the disc is too loud and slower. Every single 360 game I get I always install any way, haven't ran a game from disc since they launched that feature.
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ASC 3 years ago
they probarbly can't convert disk to digital copies at all if they don't force them all to do it. The problem is if they did people would still trade the disk as a "offline only" copy of the game.
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ASC 3 years ago
according to latest info games are fully installed on xbone - just validates that you can play by checking the disk is in the drive instead of checking account and connecting to a server.
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Whitey 3 years ago
In other news, Source Engine 2 and Half-Life 3 confirmed!
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I'm sure with downloaded games you will be able to switch on the fly. I don't think it is fully away, I think everyone will be eased into it and not have it forced on them
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
If both consoles get their pricing structure right, I believe this 'switching on the fly' could take off for people who don't care about trading in. They could even have their own 'trade in centre' where you can buy the game for say £39.99, then trade it back to Sony/Microsoft for PSN/Marketplace credit.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Doubt there will be a "Trade" system in place, what's the benefit to Big Brother
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Exactly, just wishful thinking really.
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Whitey 3 years ago
http://pcgmedia.com/xbox-on-passes-ps4-amazon-pre-orders-again/ Just dropping that in
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
Pre-orders mean nothing. Half my PS3 mates who are getting a PS4 haven't pre-ordered yet, and most probably will just pay a deposit to pick it up at Game. And people shove them in the pre-order basket just to 'guarantee the day one edition' and pull out late on.
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ASC 3 years ago
That is just a daily surge in preorders in response to the news. as far as total preorders xbox is still way way behind - though no longer falling further behind by the day like it was early this week.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Yeah I agree, just wanted a little Xbox one victory with all the PS4 winnings :P ha, and I've not even pre-ordered mine yet I'm waiting the bundles to be announced so I can pick which I want
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I've got mine ordered, but I'm waiting on the bundles too as I'll just add them instead of the actual PS4 once they're announced.
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
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Whitey 3 years ago
Hm wonder if that is legit, no word from Sony yet?
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DynamiteWhyte 3 years ago
I'd hope so. Nah none, but it was on the official playstation magazines facebook, and according to the article on here, it's been spotted around europe.
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
just finished the last of us , one hell of a game missed half the collectables mind running from bloaters prob , not taking on survior mode yet dreading it big time
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Might buy it, been sitting doing nothing during my gaming time for the past few days, need something to pull me out of it. Anyhoo I should get SSX the morra so hopefully that does it
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TruDarkAssassin 3 years ago
might go back to dragons dogma again now that's if no one is on the multiplayer
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
That's a plan, might play some DD
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Artemisthemp 3 years ago
To late IMO, they should have announced this ad E3

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