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Devs claim PS4 is 'significantly' more powerful than Xbox One


Yet more news has appeared regarding the hardware battle between the PS4 and the Xbox One, with developers telling Edge Magazine that third party they may choose to base games on the less capable Xbox One hardware as it makes more financial sense.

"It would be totally fine for us to make one version prettier without any political difficulties but it usually doesn't make financial sense," the developer said. "Unless it's a very simple tweak."

Apparently one developer went further, telling Edge that it would be better to "castrate" the PS4 version of a game so as not to upset Microsoft.

Comparing the power between the two machines, Edge's articles reports, "One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it'll run at "20-something" FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One."

To us it would make sense for the PS4 to have more power, after all Microsoft says that Kinect cost almost as much to develop as the machine itself and Microsoft has to make that money back somewhere.

Xbox One launches in the UK on November 22, followed by the PS4 on November 29.

Edited On 13 Sep, 2013

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Daniel 3 years ago
Not really making progress in gaming if developers choose to "castrate" PS4 versions of their game so not to upset M$
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Must admit that sucks that you dont get the full potential of a game if its made to worker on the less powerful console. The worrying thing in that report is why did microsoft spend all that money on Kinect when most people dont want it?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Devs have been doing that to PC games for years just to not upset the console folk. Bottom line is that it will come done to first party games to set the consoles apart, that and in a few years the Xbox One will be struggling near it's peak (Let the hate begin) and the PS4 will be happily skipping along
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
It's cos they already spent a hell of a lot of money on it and they are too proud to move away.
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w1ll p0wer 3 years ago
Oh no! What am I going to do now? Oh well, I guess I'd rather choose a slightly less powerful console with a vastly superior control pad, better online service, an achievement system that isn't a ME TOO afterthought, and a Company who has a vast list of exclusive franchises that I enjoy. Can't wait for my Xbox One!
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Facepalm. Few things. Number 1: " vastly superior control pad" That's a matter of opinion, I like the Dualshock more. Number 2: " better online service" PS+ nuff said. Number 3: " an achievement system that isn't a ME TOO afterthought" Who cares? Number 4: "vast list of exclusive franchises" Vast? To each his own though
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Slightly less powerful? Learn to read. Better controller? Opinion while the 360 controller was better than PS3, the PS4 seems to have come leaps and bounds and is now on par, but also has the touch pad and you know doesn't need a separate battery. Better online? Just wrong, + gives you a lot of free stuff compared to gold, and on top of that with a lot of people shifting to PS4 over Xbone that means that PS4 will be more populated. Achievements? They should be the least of your concern, I have about 130,000 but I haven't batted an eyelid at leaving it all behind. Vast amount of exclusives? What are you high, they have Halo, gears, fable and Forza, while Sony has Uncharted, God of War, Killzone, Gran turismo, Ratchet and Clank and Little big planet (there are probably even more), not to mention the stand alone exclusives like the Last of Us.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Sony also own the Demon Souls IP and he been talking about doing something with it for a while
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Nathan 3 years ago
Lets not forget the ps3 was highly touted as a far superior console than the xbox 360 with its cell processor and all yet every multi-platform game i can think of ran and looked better on the 360. Raw power is one thing but optimisation and how easy the system makes it for developers plays a big part also.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
The PS3 IS more powerful but it used a custom made chip and was hard to develop for, which lead to most non exclusive games just been gimped ports, while this time around there are the ones using an easy to use chip, while MS are using the custom one. Lets not forget Sony have had input from the people who'll be making the games for their console.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
As you said the PS3 is the most powerful console, it was just hard to develop for but the new consoles are based off PC architecture so it won't be as hard to port stuff. (Btw the PS3 still has some life in it, the 360 is pushing past its limits)
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Just look at the Last of Us, that would have made a 360 explode, and in my opinion could have easily past for next gen.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
But graphics do not make a good game, sure the graphics looked good in the last of us but gameplay wise it did not do anything that has not been done before granted they did do it really well.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Let's not forget MGS4 isn't on the 360 as well
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DARKST4R 3 years ago
XBOX ONE WILL STILL WIN!!!! HOW U LIKE ME NOW, HOW U LIKE ME NOW LOL
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Nathan 3 years ago
I think its best we all save up and get both lol. Theres always gonna be arguements on both sides. I think if you own just one you'll inevitable be missing out on something.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Oh hello Darkst4r (AKA: David) J/K
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
That is the best way nathan
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
We aren't arguing Tootell , we are having a discussion
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Twizty360 3 years ago
That reason why I don't comment much on here, to many fanboys now!
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Just wait till the one and ps4 are released, if we dont get stories like this then it will go away.
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JoeToots 3 years ago
Either that or I'm gone.
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Nathan 3 years ago
Just a thought on the xbox live vs ps+ argument. Yeh you get a bunch of free stuff on ps+ for ps3 but what stuff have sony got to give away for the ps4? A stripped down version of drive club and maybe 1 or 2 indie games. Were not going to get a free full fledge ps4 game every month, not for a few years i'd think.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I think it's ok during the night, had some good conversations/shit throwing contests with Whitey and Gloria at night
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
What are Microsoft doing then Nathan?
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Nathan 3 years ago
Its not a microsoft defence it was just a reply to one of the earlier comments on here boasting all the free stuff on ps+. Just thought it should be said its probably not going to be like that on ps4.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I know what you mean Nathan. PS+ will still be supporting the PS3 & PSV though
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Whitey 3 years ago
This is exactly why console hardware does not matter for 3rd party games. The PS3 was more powerful than 360 but the majority of 3rd party games were developed for 360 and then ported to PS3 and PC, which a lot of the time meant the 360 version was better. It will be the same now with PS4 and X1. Also, with the PSN/LIVE argument, yes PS+ is great it gives you "free" games, but you're not paying to get games are you? you're paying to have a great online service, which is what Xbox provides, Xbox LIVE is just much better overall in terms of servers, connection, social media, online functions and general multiplayer services.
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Dead 3 years ago
I love throwing shit Nox ;)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Whitey. Hardly noticeable, I get disconnected from XBL more than PSN, No one cares, Party Chat? Meh, elaborate
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Whitey 3 years ago
No matter what advantages Sony can throw around, it's a fact they can not compete with MS servers. The new CoD has dedicated servers on X1 and PC but no PS4? You may think meh whatever, but for competitive gamers that is a huge deal. MS can also do a lot more with the cloud than Sony can do on the PS4. Sony may be a great company and have brilliant ideas but they just don't have the money or tech to compete with MS' online service.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
The majority of people who play games still only play Single Player & the Xbox division have a bigger pile of cash than the Playstation Division cos Microsoft have been charging for Multi-player since the start. Also lets not forget Microsoft's background. I'm sure they already had this in place for ages. PS: Truly competitive gamers play on PC
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Whitey 3 years ago
The thing is, Sony as a whole is not doing that great, they have reported losses over the past few years. Whereas Microsoft, even without the Xbox, is a huge company with billions of $'s to their name so they can afford to do whatever they want. But I hope the PS4 brings in big profits for Sony because they are a great company.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
PSN has been a money drain for Sony for years
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Nathan 3 years ago
Yeh hopefully for Sony they make some money because as we all seem to know, the ps4 is a beast technology wise. At £350 you gotta think there making a loss per unit just to get one up on microsoft.
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Whitey 3 years ago
PS4 is not really a beast, it's better than Xbox One, but far from a "beast" Hard to believe PS4 is releasing at £350 when the PS3 was almost £500 or something when they launched. I did read somewhere a while go that Sony wont be making much profit on PS4 selling it at £350 because it cost a lot to make.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
It's not a "Beast" it's relativity powerful
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Nathan 3 years ago
Sorry a hardware beast in the xbox1 vs ps4 comparison i meant
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noisecheck 3 years ago
PS4 will not be sold at a loss http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/155521-playtation-4-sony-announces-the-ps4-wont-be-sold-at-loss I'm not sure about the xbox one, but neither company really won last gen either, both suffered quite substantial losses financially. http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/ Despite the PS3 selling more units globally, Sony still suffered greater losses due to selling at a loss at launch, at least that's not the case this time. As for development, the PS4 architecture will make the PS4 the lead platform for multi platform games next gen, PS4 uses openGL where as the one uses direct x. Neither consoles are "beasts" but the PS4 is using hUMA technology which wont be available until the next gen PC graphics cards are released, this gives PS4 a slight edge ever the one imo.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Enlighten us on why you think that Anthony
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Care to explain how it will be better? More servers yes, but higher population no, most people are getting are moving over to PS4 next gen now, I don't know a single person in the real world who is getting a xbox one.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
& even some people are moving to PC since the lines between console and PC become even more close
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
There is a best console, it's called the Dreamcast 2. Anyhoo Tootell give it till the new consoles come out and I'm sure most of the "people find the need to come on the internet and argue about there personal preference" will go back to lucking in the depths of XBL/PSN
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Whitey 3 years ago
Not going to lie but Direct x is miles better than OpenGL
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, it's not like it's complete fanboyism here. People are entitled to discuss what they think is better, it's not like he said PS4 is complete crap and Xbox is the great god.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Well (A made up word) is better than Direct X 11
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
He might as well of said that. We all know he is thinking it
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, on that also, Noisecheck, if you read the article it said it will be likely 3rd party games would be developed on the Xbox one to make sure both consoles can handle the game fine. So if it's anything like 360 and PS3, expect half-assed ports to PS4, though with both consoles being very similar with PC, I expect the gap will be much smaller this time.
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Whitey 3 years ago
And if he is thinking it, so what? He is allowed to share his opinion. Seems you need to have a 5 page document with reasons, explanations and evidence to voice your opinion these days.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I'll say it again. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE FIRST PARTY'S. Sony have Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games Santa Monica Studio, Japan Studio, Team Ico & Project Siren. Microsoft have 343 Industries & Lionhead (I don't count Rare)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I assume you are talking to me you twit (J/K). Where is the fun in not comparing opinions?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Oh I forgot Microsoft own Twisted Pixel. Yeah
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Whitey 3 years ago
None of them names mean anything to me apart from Naughty Dog. Also, Microsoft have more than that.. Turn 10 Studios, Twisted Pixel, Black Tusk and some other crappy ones. Was going to say Epic, but don't think they are actually a first party studio.
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Whitey 3 years ago
I'm all for comparing opinions and have a bit of a banter and what not, but some people take other peoples opinions and comments too seriously. I'm a huge Gears fan, but if someone thinks it's crap and the worst game of all time, I'm not going to get upset about it.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Black Tusk haven't made a game yet so I don't count them. Who are Turn 10? (Genuinely wondering) Epic aren't a 1st party studio
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Whitey 3 years ago
Are you serious? Turn 10, the guys that make the Forza games. Shame on you.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I don't think it's the worstest series of all time, I don't even think it's bad. I just don't like it much, it's Meh to me
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Oh, I don't like racing sims so that's why I don't know them
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Whitey have you played Infamous?
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Whitey 3 years ago
No, but I would probably like it.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Any way, you don't need a first party studio to have exclusives. Gears of War, Crackdown, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, and some other 360 exclusives are not first party Microsoft studios. So it's about games, not studios.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Didn't the rights to Crackdown go to Microsoft after Realworlds closed? If that's the case about exclusives I can list the 360 exclusives I have vs the PS3
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
You really should play Infamous, it one of the games I bought a PS3 for
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Whitey 3 years ago
Even though The Last of Us and Uncharted are great games, I would honestly take Gears or Dead Rising over them any day. TLoU and Uncharted seem like they are great first time story experiences, but nothing much after that. I would, but I'm not buying a PS3 now so I'll never play it.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Ok so after looking at all the PS3 and 360 exclusives, this is a list of exclusive games for each console that I'm interested in. for 360 it's Crackdown, Dead Rising, Fable, Forza, Gears and Saints Row. For PS3 it would be God of War, Heavy Rain, Infamous, TLoU and Uncharted. Hmm, when I come to think of it, neither console really offers me that much to be honest. But if I could only choose one game (series) out of all them to play, it would probably be Gears, followed very closely by Dead Rising.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
That's your personal preference, you prefer gameplay over story but you will play Uncharted,TLoU and Infamous eventually
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Whitey 3 years ago
Actually, I prefer story over gameplay. The only way I will play Infamous, Uncharted and TLoU is if they release on PS4.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Gears for story, really? One word: Gaiki
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Whitey 3 years ago
I never said story for Gears. I just really like the gameplay and style of Gears, but the story isn't bad any way, GoW3 had a good story I think. Gaiki? sounds like some Japanese guy.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I know MS are publishing Dead Rising 3, but I think future titles in the franchise will be cross-plat and maybe even 3 at some point like Mass effect, that said Dead Rising doesn't look that good to be fair I'm pretty sure it could run on current gen if they wanted it to, sure it looks pretty but the map looks really small from a map I saw, and I've also heard it runs at 30FPS, it may have pushed current gen too far but it doesn't seem to be ground breaking as far as what next gen is capable of.
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Whitey 3 years ago
No way it would have run on 360, have you seen footage of it? It even struggles to keep a solid frame rate on Xbox one. I think they went over the top with the number of zombies on screen, like seriously why do you need that many any way.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
That's the thing it's running at 30FPS by design, that's not it struggling that's what they want it to do, no idea why they need so many, why not make it actually possible to die by them so you don't need as many at once, it'll probably get even more shaky when in co-op, if dead rising is their big hitter at launch which I think it's going to be then a lot of people are going to be disappointed. Maybe I was exaggerating a bit when I said it could run on this gen though :P
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Whitey 3 years ago
Yeah all the big games like CoD, BF4, Forza and the likes were like yeah we're running at 60fps on Xbox one. Then Dead Rising is like, yeah we're sticking at 30fps with 2000 zombies on screen at once, because obviously I can interact with all of them at the same time.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
The amount of zombies is for the same reason the first had loads is to try and show what the machine is capable of.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, it makes it worse because DR3 is one big open world all streaming in the background. Whereas DR2 was kind of like instanced in different sections that had loading screens between each area.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Although it is worth noting that Capcom have said they know the frame rate isn't that great on the footage, but it was running an old beta build and it should be fixed up for the release version.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Tbh I don't see the need for something like what Dead Rising 3 is trying to be but to be fair I was never a fan of Zombies if the first place
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I liked the way the first one worked as you were in closed area surrounded by the things and you had to cleave your way through like you were doing some heavy gardening, but I think 2000 is just ridiculous and unnecessary, I'd take 1000 and 60FPS, or even less than that so long as it's 60FPS any less is just underwhelming as next gen for me, the graphics and amount of things going on at once are fine as they are now, I just want it to all be smoother, we'll see anyway as I'll almost undoubtedly pick a one up at some point and try it out.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Anthony are you David? Just asking cos he said something to that effect to me before but with a lot more typos
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I'm just waiting on Richard Branson to release the Virgin box, now that will be the greatest console ever.
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Dead 3 years ago
Shut up Anthony, you brain dead inflatable lover.
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Whitey 3 years ago
I was thinking the same thing, Nox.
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Whitey 3 years ago
LOL. Love how Gloria comes back just as it's about to kick off. Them senses
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Dead 3 years ago
I'm bloody psychic I am ;)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Funny stuff this is. Didn't mean anything by it Ant
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Dead 3 years ago
About as new as your girlfriend was when you bought her from the sex shop I'm sure Anthony.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
They should really make it a requirement to upload a Avatar, I'm sick of seeing that stupid default thing
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Whitey 3 years ago
LOL just remember I was going to remove my avatar, I like the unknown identity image.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
HEY GLORIA, DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEAR AYA!! OK
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Whitey 3 years ago
Anthony, since you're new, you need to pass the ShopTo newcomers test to be able to post around here.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I remember, you said you where going to remove yours around the time I asked Kevin to upload one
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
The test is to take Gloria's abuse and enjoy it. We all had to do it
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Whitey 3 years ago
Meh, how do you remove your image? I can change it, but can't seem to just have none.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I'm guessing GTA isn't getting sent out then? WAH!!!!
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Don't know maybe just save the default one off of one of these fine peoples profile and use that, should have the same effect.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
HA LOVE IT!!!
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Whitey 3 years ago
Found a better picture :D
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I'm going to change mine
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Whitey 3 years ago
They all seem too small :/
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Done
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
NOOOO!!!!!!!!1 Change it back
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Aww can't make it out, I'll try again
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Whitey 3 years ago
LMAO
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
try this one
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Whitey 3 years ago
Haha, not a fan of Zombichew, Nox?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I hate you Merle
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Whitey 3 years ago
To be fair, I tried to find the image you're using and copy you, but couldn't find it so went with a dead version.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
XD
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Whitey 3 years ago
Enough messing, time to get serious.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Google Pikanox and go to images, Saiyannox also has a few of my pics
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
I like this new trend
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Whitey 3 years ago
Although to be fair, could have done what Merle said and save your image :)
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Whitey 3 years ago
Man, this Nox guy, copying me and stuff.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
So now everyone is just gonni put a Pikachu pic as their Avatar? Also I hate you Whitey
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Whitey 3 years ago
I'm confusing myself now, I usually identify people by their image.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
It would be funny if everyone had the same image.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Same Whitey.Now that's a plan that is Zombie
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Whitey 3 years ago
Think I like this one best if I'm honest.
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The Boss 3 years ago
Not really good fun..
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The Boss 3 years ago
can you delete all the above mess please..
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JoeToots 3 years ago
boss you need to get some moderators around here..
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Awww party pooper (Pout)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
*Raises Hand*
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Yeah it may have went a tad too far.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Well that was.. strange.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Blame Merle :)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I know Whitey, where were you when I was being bullied
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Whitey 3 years ago
Took a break, came back to hell, one Nox is bad enough. lol joes :P
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The Boss 3 years ago
pls use report abuse then he get banned.. :-)
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
I'm back, what did I miss?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Hahahahaha, so you two aren't going to say anything are you?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
You missed a capital D Merle
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Where is the Report button? Just asking
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Whitey 3 years ago
To be fair, I think it was all Nox talking to himself making it look like he was bullied.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
What you talking about?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Fine be that way see if I care. I...I...IDIOTS!
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I just realized that it's Friday the 13th
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Not again...
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Whitey 3 years ago
What's note-worthy about Friday the 13th?
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Really Whitey?
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Whitey 3 years ago
I just realized tomorrow's Saturday the 14th.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Very funny.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Well then, Good night one and all (Except Whitey you twat)
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Skiba 3 years ago
@Whitey your saying so much crap!! the PS4 tools are a more advanced version of what MS has. Sony made over 22 million in profit for the quarter!! the truth is your a fanboy who would big MS up if they pored acid on you when kinect starts.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
LOL
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Whitey 3 years ago
LOL what?
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Whitey 3 years ago
By the way, I'm not bigging MS up at all, if you read my comment you'd know I'm not much of a fan of Microsoft. Am I an Xbox fan? yes, am I a MS fan? No. Also, I said Sony wasn't doing great in the last few years, they have improved this year but last year they had a loss of 24.6 billion Yen last year.
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Skiba 3 years ago
last year they were in profit as well they sold one of there buildings to make it up but were in profit. you seem more fanboy to me in your comments above.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Dude, why don't you actually do some research.. plenty of sites showing their big loss last year... http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/10/why-sonys-4-billion-loss-isnt-the-disaster-it-seems/ .... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2127643/Sony-plunges-6-4BN-annual-loss-Samsung-Apple-eat-businesses--giant-cuts-10-000-jobs-worldwide.html
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Whitey 3 years ago
You're the bigger fanboy trying to defend the facts that Sony as a company has not been doing too well for the past few years. They've cut loads of jobs, sold a lot of their market and other stuff, like you said with the building.
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Skiba 3 years ago
Sony for the last time have turned a profit for the last 2 years moron. fanboy for pointing you out on your drama show lol. Sony are a huge company there not in any major trouble. they sold a building but have now got a new one that looks amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnp6nrLVzdA#t=25
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Skiba 3 years ago
just so you no the Xbox division has lost 3 billion in 10 years http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years
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Dead 3 years ago
I wish I hadn't had an early night now, I feel like I've missed so much.
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Robichoico 3 years ago
Sony have just opened a new building in America (again proving that they are trying to stay in America rather than cater for their homeland.) but yeah. With the amount of money invested in the PS4 launch its pretty safe to say there'll be another huge loss. Consoles don't come cheap you know. I expect both Sony and Microsoft to report losses due to it.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
Damn I missed all the fun last night and the legendary return of David but guessed Anthony was David when he posted a few weeks ago
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
You missed a good laugh. Whitey and Merle changed their avatars and nicknames to match mine & then proceeded to take the piss out of me. It ended when the Boss showed up and told us to stop it, just as well cos we were getting really confused
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
How do you know if David got banned? Even I don't know that & I'm here 25/8 according to David. (Your style of speech is similar to David so that's why I made the comparison)
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Whitey 3 years ago
I guess we did go too far last night lol. Think we forget that this is a companies business website not some personal forum to have fun :)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
How dare we try to have something as trivial as "Fun"
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Dead 3 years ago
Seems Anthony knows something about David that only David would know, if that's not proof enough he is the same brain dead moron I don't know what is?
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Whitey 3 years ago
LOL that's true. No one else even knew anything about David being banned, yet the "new" guy did..
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Dead 3 years ago
And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for us meddling kids ;)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Love that reference Gloria. If anyone doesn't get that they should be taking out back and be put down
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Dead 3 years ago
It is a classic, you can't beat the classics.
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Whitey 3 years ago
What reference?
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
This is music to my ears. The PS4 is dominating in pre-orders, it's cheaper, more powerful, Sony has all the first party developers, the PS4's online now matches Live's premium features, and impressions from major developers at PAX and Gamescom even said that the PS4 has the more comfortable controller. Sony is firing on every front, while MS is picking up the pieces after their DRM-filled 1984 Orwellian advertising box was outright rejected. I love it!
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Really Whitey? What are you, like 10?
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Whitey 3 years ago
Xbox one has actually been taking over PS4 pre-orders lately. Xbox one took the lead on Amazon a while back, and most places including Amazon, GAME, here and some others are not taking orders any more (at least the day one edition) while they are still taking them for PS4, though it may be to do with Sony has more stock, who really knows. As far as games and stuff go, I think Xbox will be in front for the first year at least, and then Sony will come out strong again, there's no denying Xbox has a better line-up at the moment. Also, I wouldn't say PS4 is matching Xbox in terms of servers and what not, though you do get much more value for money on PS4.
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Whitey 3 years ago
No, 8.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Actually, my info may be outdated, think it's all changed again now. Too much crap to keep up with these consoles.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I agree that in terms of Day 1 games that it seems that Xbox has a more diverse range of games
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Whitey 3 years ago
But I think the thing is that Microsoft put all their focus into Xbox one launch, as you can see 360 has been left in the dark the past year or so. Whereas Sony has still been focusing on PS3, as you can see PS3 had/has a great 2013 line-up, even still going into 2014. Even Sony feel their launch isn't that great, that's the reason they held launch back in Japan to make sure the launch was good. But it was the same with PS3 and 360, Sony will probably be back on top in late 2014 early 2015.
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Bindiana 3 years ago
I am sorry anthony I bet you have played PES on PS4 and its awesome isnt it better then FIFA on xbox one. Obviously need to log on more night time and weekends. Whitey think that might be a problem for microsoft they putting a lot of effort into launch but what have they got coming after that all I can think of is Halo where Sony have a lot of studios that havent even announced anything yet.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Microsoft still have quite a lot to come after launch, Halo, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, the Blask Tusk game which I can't remember the name of. Pretty obvious there is a new Crackdown coming as well, and most likely will have a new Gears of War game. Whatever Naughty Dog have planed for PS4 will probably be awesome, but since we've heard absolutely nothing yet, it most likely wont be till 2015 or late 2014 at the earliest. Plus Microsoft have a lot of timed stuff and exclusive features like boss mode on PVZ:GW, ultimate team in FIFA, the usual early DLC for CoD, and one pack for BF4.
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
That is incorrect. The Xbox One has never, at any given point, been ahead of the PlayStation 4 in pre-orders, in any region in the world. Amazon pre-order lists have showed the PS4 vastly ahead since day one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2013/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar That is for the UK. And this is in Microsoft's own cheeseburger-inhaling obese back yard of America: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2013/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar Quite in fact, the only place I have witnessed the PS4 behind in pre-orders, is on this very site. And I highly suspect foul play involved, because Shopto.net is putting Xbox One advertisements ahead of everything.
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Whitey 3 years ago
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-one-beating-ps4-in-amazon-pre-orders-ahead-of-e3-1157715
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Whitey 3 years ago
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-passes-ps4-on-amazon-chart-6410496
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Really foul play? If they are advertising something it is because they are getting paid to. Also there are a lot more PS3 stories on this site than 360 ones, the PSN store gets a weekly update here but I cant remember ever seeing anything similar for the 360.
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
Nope, it's never taken over the PS4. A lot of the confusion comes from the default listing for the pre-orders being just for the last hour, whereby you need to specify overall for 2013. In that chart, the Xbox One has never been ahead.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Does it really matter though?
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
Also, that artile is prior to E3, genius. The PS4 wasn't available BEFORE E3 because Sony didn't announce its price until E3. Then it became listed on Amazon. How do I know? Because I watched E3 live at 2-4am while at work here in the UK, and I was refreshing the Amazon page after it so I could pre-order the PS4 as soon as it became available. There you have it. The Xbox One has never been ahead. Ever.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Again does it really matter though?
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Whitey 3 years ago
If PS4 wasn't available then how did Xbox one take over PS4's pre-orders. MS announced their policy removal after E3, which is when Xbox went ahead.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, the Amazon chart you linked doesn't even have the Xbox one day one edition on their because it's not available anymore. The only one that shows on their now is the normal, which isn't as popular obviously.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Another link of proof if you still for some reason believe you're correct... http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/xbox-regains-amazon-pre-order-chart-lead-after-drm-backtrack
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
It wasn't available because the price hadn't been announced yet. I know first hand because I planned on pre-ordering it ever since their PS4 reveal, and I know for a fact it wasn't available until an hour after their E3 conference. Deny this again, and you're just sticking your fingers in your ears to the truth. It doesn't matter how you want to spin it, the PS4 is in greater demand, simple fact. It's even out-gunned the Xbox One in its own country of the US. And that screen cap in that article is just as I said above... an hourly chart. People are easily confused by it and I've seen the mistake made many times over. Amazon, for some reason, list the last hourly sales in best sellers, with the overall 2013 chart having to be specified. Do you need me to repeat this again to you? The Xbox One has never overtaken the PS4. Not a single time. And to the other guy, it matters because of people like Whitey. Just butthurt Xbox fans who cannot accept facts. They spin the PS4 being more powerful, they spin it being more pre-ordered, they spin absolutely everything. It's so fun watching them squirm after a whole generation of them putting the boot into the PS3.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Who the hell cares, really?
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
I do. As I said, it's fun watching Xbox fans squirm and try desperately to justify buying into an objectively inferior system for more money.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Not being funny but since when did I say PS4 is not doing better than Xbox? Obviously it is doing better overall, I'm saying Xbox has had times when it's came back. So I'm not denying anything.
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Whitey 3 years ago
Also, it may be an "Inferior" console, but it's not about consoles, it's about games.
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
You're trying to argue that the Xbox One will be ahead at first. On what planet does it have the remotest possibility of being ahead? Pre-orders show, and have done since E3, that the PS4 is out-gunning it 2 to 1, with nothing changing that no matter what Microsoft has done. Secondly, the PS4 will have all the games anyone will need. The first party Sony devs will see to that, as well as a few third party devs enjoying the huge PS4 install base.
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
God you are a moron.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Put it this way. Everyone who knows what has been going on for the past few months will get a Xbox One or PS4 (Mostly PS4) and the people who know nothing about the games industry will get a Xbox One (That's puts the Xbox One on top for the first year)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Cba fixing that
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Whitey 3 years ago
Just because they have pre-orders doesn't mean it will stay on top. As with the 360 is dominated for a long time even after the PS3 came out. It all comes down to long term, not day one sales.
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
Yes, and the reason the 360 sank is because Microsoft just stopped giving a crap. They turned to that Kinect nonsense and stopped the awesome exclusives coming. AS for the other guy, how on earth are you in a position to state those not in the know will go for the Xbox One? Is the Xbox brand the default go-to console when not in the know or something? Here's a little tip from somebody who knows about this industry: the hardcore crowd set the trends. They're the ones who decide what to play, and then the later-joining crowd go to them for advice, see what they're playing, and it all spirals out of control from there. As to the other guy, well I guess when you've got nothing, turn to insults I guess. I accept your intellectual bankruptcy in this debate.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
If you say so but all people I know who don't give a crap will get the Xbox One cos that's what they know and since it gets COD DLC a month early that's another reason for them to get it
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Well maybe if you stopped acting like a moron rather than coming in with all your fanboy arguments then maybe I wouldn't need to say so. You know what they say a spades a spade.
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Whitey 3 years ago
just so you know, the casual market is much, much bigger than the hardcore market. That's why everything aims for casual market now because it makes more money. That's why the majority of MMO's have gone for a more casual approach.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Exactly and the people I know that play games NEVER ask my opinion about games
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
Yes, and as I said, the casual market will follow the trends that the hardcore set. The hardcore are always the early buyers, and when the PS4 has overwhelming sales, it'll be that trend they see, and that which they will adopt. Funny thing is, you're all ignoring the price advantage the PS4 has as well, which is a huge part of casual adoption. Also, casuals aren't the blind, stupid buyers everyone makes them out to be. They do know something about these consoles, the stigma attached to them, etc. And to the other guy, you've yet to make any form of intelligent rebuttal. You're nobody to throw around insults. Just another pseudo-intelligent joke getting swept aside by logical precision.
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
Who cares who gets a PS4 or a Xbox one, so long as nobody is foolish enough to get them based off launch line up, I don't care.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
You are defending the people who thought (Some still think) that the 3DS was out to kill children
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iMerle iDixon 3 years ago
LOL what? I went on a 3DS and it did a number on my eyes, never touched one since but I'll be getting one for Pokemon X.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Yo Also we's is nahh "da other pimpz" we's is da bosses round deez parts matey Jus' like Orenthawl James (Courtesy of the Ebonics Translator)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
From now on I'm putting everyone's post's through the Ebonics Translator
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
I will accepts that calling you a moron was uncalled for but dont pretend that you have been having a logical debate all your argument has been is that the PS4 is better and everyone that does not agree with me is wrong. You should get a 2DS then Merle i had a friend as well the 3D game him terrible headaches.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Woops
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Yo ah will accepts dat calling you uh moron wuz uncalled fo' but dont pretend dat you gots been havin` uh logical debate all yo' argument has been iz dat da PS4 iz bettah an' brothas dat do not agree wif me iz wrong. You should git uh 2DS then Merle ah had uh n**** as well da 3D game him terrible headaches don't make me shank ya!
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
We will change our avatars again Nox if you start that :)
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Love the don't make me shank ya at the end.
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Marcus Anthony 3 years ago
When one disagrees with facts, they are, by definition, wrong. The PS4 is more powerful and it is leading in pre-orders worldwide. Those are the facts. How is that saying, "If you don't agree with me, you're wrong?"
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
ROFL!!!!! I didn't see the "don't make me shank ya" (I can't stop laughing)
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
When one disagrees wif facts, dey is, by definition, wrong. da PS4 iz mo' powerful an' it iz leading in pre-orders worldwide. Those is da facts. How iz dat sayin`, "If you don' agree wif me, you wrong? with muh beeotch
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I say that on Monday we all use the Ebonics Translator and see how long it takes people to ask us what's up or the boss comes and makes us stop. http://joel.net/EBONICS/Translator
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Yo ah say dat on Monday we's all use da ebonix transmalator an' see how long it takes n* ta ax us wut up or da boss comes an' makes us stop. http://joel.net/ebonix/transmalator Jus' like Orenthawl James
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
I...... deserved that
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Who do you think Orenthawl James is anyway?
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Turns out its OJ simpson.
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Loli-Nox-Tan 3 years ago
Oh
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Zombieflamingo 3 years ago
Now we know...... now we know......
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